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Tinchihaport
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| lori wrote: | | Tinchihaport wrote: | I was wrong about the number of times stabbed. It seems 1987 was too long ago for my memory to retain all the details.
Debra Jenner-Tyler was convicted of killing her 3Û year-old daughter in 1987 by stabbing her about 70 times with a knife and toy airplane. Janklow reduced her sentence from life in prison to 100 years - making her eligible for parole later this month - after she admitted to the crime. |
That is a horrible crime and Janklow was wrong to commute it. Why did he do such a thing? |
He wanted her to admit to the crime  Which is one reason I am such a strong supporter of the death penalty. I had a distant relative go on the hill for murder when I was just a kid...16 or 17 yrs old. It was my mom's cousin's son... murdered a young lady. He served 7 years... became a "Born again Christian" while on the hill and was released on parole. He is now in a NC prison for the same thing...raping and killing another young lady.
The Colman man who murdered a young lady
A piece on his recent release
Kulhavy Moves Into New Home
A convicted killer will spend his first night among the general public. Robert Kulhavy, who's in his early 40s, was released from prison at 6 a.m. Friday.
This is the first time we've seen him in 20 years, since he received a 60-year manslaughter sentence after raping and killing 22-year-old Brenda Schmidt near Dell Rapids.
He's a free man, as long as he follows the rules of his parole.
There are several reason I support the death penalty vs life in prison. I honestly do not remember Kulhavy's sentence but I do know the victim's family was not happy with his release |
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lori
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| Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| Tinchihaport wrote: | | lori wrote: | | Tinchihaport wrote: | I was wrong about the number of times stabbed. It seems 1987 was too long ago for my memory to retain all the details.
Debra Jenner-Tyler was convicted of killing her 3Û year-old daughter in 1987 by stabbing her about 70 times with a knife and toy airplane. Janklow reduced her sentence from life in prison to 100 years - making her eligible for parole later this month - after she admitted to the crime. |
That is a horrible crime and Janklow was wrong to commute it. Why did he do such a thing? |
He wanted her to admit to the crime Which is one reason I am such a strong supporter of the death penalty. I had a distant relative go on the hill for murder when I was just a kid...16 or 17 yrs old. It was my mom's cousin's son... murdered a young lady. He served 7 years... became a "Born again Christian" while on the hill and was released on parole. He is now in a NC prison for the same thing...raping and killing another young lady.
The Colman man who murdered a young lady
A piece on his recent release
Kulhavy Moves Into New Home
A convicted killer will spend his first night among the general public. Robert Kulhavy, who's in his early 40s, was released from prison at 6 a.m. Friday.
This is the first time we've seen him in 20 years, since he received a 60-year manslaughter sentence after raping and killing 22-year-old Brenda Schmidt near Dell Rapids.
He's a free man, as long as he follows the rules of his parole.
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exactly.
I'm sure there are lots of people like you who support the death penalty because of this reason (and others I am sure.) Life without parole should never be commuted. Confessing to the crime is even more of a reason to throw away the key.
Our justice system is flawed in some ways, no doubt about that. |
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Tinchihaport
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| Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| lori wrote: | | Our justice system is flawed in some ways, no doubt about that. |
I will certainly agree with you there.
I also would really like to thank you for keeping this debate civil. I respect your opinion and I think even though you do not agree with mine you repect my right to have it. |
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nathof
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| Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| lori wrote: | | Tinchihaport wrote: | | lori wrote: | | Tinchihaport wrote: | I was wrong about the number of times stabbed. It seems 1987 was too long ago for my memory to retain all the details.
Debra Jenner-Tyler was convicted of killing her 3Û year-old daughter in 1987 by stabbing her about 70 times with a knife and toy airplane. Janklow reduced her sentence from life in prison to 100 years - making her eligible for parole later this month - after she admitted to the crime. |
That is a horrible crime and Janklow was wrong to commute it. Why did he do such a thing? |
He wanted her to admit to the crime Which is one reason I am such a strong supporter of the death penalty. I had a distant relative go on the hill for murder when I was just a kid...16 or 17 yrs old. It was my mom's cousin's son... murdered a young lady. He served 7 years... became a "Born again Christian" while on the hill and was released on parole. He is now in a NC prison for the same thing...raping and killing another young lady.
The Colman man who murdered a young lady
A piece on his recent release
Kulhavy Moves Into New Home
A convicted killer will spend his first night among the general public. Robert Kulhavy, who's in his early 40s, was released from prison at 6 a.m. Friday.
This is the first time we've seen him in 20 years, since he received a 60-year manslaughter sentence after raping and killing 22-year-old Brenda Schmidt near Dell Rapids.
He's a free man, as long as he follows the rules of his parole.
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exactly.
I'm sure there are lots of people like you who support the death penalty because of this reason (and others I am sure.) Life without parole should never be commuted. Confessing to the crime is even more of a reason to throw away the key.
Our justice system is flawed in some ways, no doubt about that. |
Neither of the cases cited have anything to do with the death penalty unless I'm mistaken. 100 year sentence and manslaughter, neither would have faced the death penalty. Would you (Tinchihaport) rather have had them on death row? Sentences are commuted all of the time, rather than being in favor of the death penalty maybe you should be address sentence reduction as a root cause of the problem. |
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zipper
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| lori: lighten up a little' That was simply a remark. FYI I do not think that we have the right to kill. I think we should have capitol punishment. It should be life without parol and not some penal resort. Death is the easy way out for a murderer. Now brace yourself. Why do I think this way ? It's because I beleive in the teachings of Christ. Next the reason for execution or imprisonment is to remove dangerous people from society and a certain amount of punishment NOT revenge. Peace!!! |
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lori
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| Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| Tinchihaport wrote: | | lori wrote: | | Our justice system is flawed in some ways, no doubt about that. |
I will certainly agree with you there.
I also would really like to thank you for keeping this debate civil. I respect your opinion and I think even though you do not agree with mine you repect my right to have it. |
I most certainly do respect and support your right to express and hold your opinion, even though we disagree. |
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lori
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| Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| zipper wrote: | | lori: lighten up a little' That was simply a remark. FYI I do not think that we have the right to kill. I think we should have capitol punishment. It should be life without parol and not some penal resort. Death is the easy way out for a murderer. Now brace yourself. Why do I think this way ? It's because I beleive in the teachings of Christ. Next the reason for execution or imprisonment is to remove dangerous people from society and a certain amount of punishment NOT revenge. Peace!!! |
I have to be honest here, I don't know which remark you are referring to.
Lighten up on a debate about capital punishment? If you want light, visit the joke thread.
Also, your position on capital punishment makes no sense. I highlighted the sentences in your post where it looks like you contradict yourself. |
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zipper
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| What remark? look at your first post here. Now I will draw a picture. I do not believe we have the right to kill. I do not believe we have the right to murder. I ALSO DO NOT think we have the right to kill as punishment for murder. I think capitol punishment should be Life without parole. I think it should be hard time and not a trip to some penal resort prison like the white collar crooks go to. Now does that clear up my opinion on killing and punishment If it doesn't then TS. |
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Tinchihaport
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Neither of the cases cited have anything to do with the death penalty unless I'm mistaken. 100 year sentence and manslaughter, neither would have faced the death penalty. Would you (Tinchihaport) rather have had them on death row? Sentences are commuted all of the time, rather than being in favor of the death penalty maybe you should be address sentence reduction as a root cause of the problem. |
one was a life sentence reduced to 100 years. The Kulhavy sentence I could not remember but seen it was listed in my little excerpt.
If the murderer's had been given the death penalty I wouldn't have to worry about my daughter getting to close to Kulhavy nor worry that Ms. Jenner will be on the streets again either.
I am a supporter of the death penalty. It is my right to support it and to voice that I do. Just as it is your right to voice your opinion against it.
I hope Ms. Wright receives capitol punishment as her sentence and I hope it is carried out. If it is called revenge or if it is called bloodthirst than so be it. I want to see justice for Darlene Vandergeisen. Her face looking at her killer thru a plastic bag was enough for me to want the death penalty for her murderer. |
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nathof
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| Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| Tinchihaport wrote: | | nathof wrote: |
Neither of the cases cited have anything to do with the death penalty unless I'm mistaken. 100 year sentence and manslaughter, neither would have faced the death penalty. Would you (Tinchihaport) rather have had them on death row? Sentences are commuted all of the time, rather than being in favor of the death penalty maybe you should be address sentence reduction as a root cause of the problem. |
one was a life sentence reduced to 100 years. The Kulhavy sentence I could not remember but seen it was listed in my little excerpt.
If the murderer's had been given the death penalty I wouldn't have to worry about my daughter getting to close to Kulhavy nor worry that Ms. Jenner will be on the streets again either.
I am a supporter of the death penalty. It is my right to support it and to voice that I do. Just as it is your right to voice your opinion against it.
I hope Ms. Wright receives capitol punishment as her sentence and I hope it is carried out. If it is called revenge or if it is called bloodthirst than so be it. I want to see justice for Darlene Vandergeisen. Her face looking at her killer thru a plastic bag was enough for me to want the death penalty for her murderer. |
Kulravey is not an argument for the death penalty as he wasn't sentenced to it. The woman was sentenced to 100 years, or sentenced to death? Having more executions would not have affected either, unless they had a death sentence commuted? I'm also not sure of the specifics. Minor points to argue.
I don't think the death penalty is necessary, I see you do, I apologize for the earlier bloodlust remark, and agree to respectfully disagree with you. Good luck in life (Literally, not sarcastically). |
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Remember that guy, Elijah Page? Our governor hasn't got the the sack to enforce our state sanctioned death penalty.
I think there should be an appeal, with her non-hearing interpreters that she requested but was denied. No doubt the outcome would be the same. I almost felt sorry for her when she was crying after she knew the verdict; but she bought that when she kidnapped, killed, cut up and dispersed Darlene.
As for those of you who think the chainsawing had nothing to do to with the actuall killing - I'd like to see how she would explain the reason she came to buy a chainsaw when she did, and the reason for the rest of the things she did. She dismembered and disposed of the body but we're supposed to consider that as not being related to the murder? You're crazy, lady.
As for the death penalty I think that would be the most humane sentence for Daphne Wright. Personally I believe she should wake up every day and realize where she is and what she did to get there. I don't suppose the state would go to the trouble of giving her an interpreter; think of what a bummer it would be to be locked up with a bunch of people you can't even communicate with. Hell, squared. |
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lori
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| zipper wrote: | | What remark? look at your first post here. Now I will draw a picture. I do not believe we have the right to kill. I do not believe we have the right to murder. I ALSO DO NOT think we have the right to kill as punishment for murder. I think capitol punishment should be Life without parole. I think it should be hard time and not a trip to some penal resort prison like the white collar crooks go to. Now does that clear up my opinion on killing and punishment If it doesn't then TS. |
No need to "draw a picture" for me. Here, let ME help YOU. Capital punishment is defined as killing the murderer. Life without parole is not capital punishment.
Know what you are talking about before you post, how about that? |
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Tinchihaport
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| Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| phenobarbara wrote: | Remember that guy, Elijah Page? Our governor hasn't got the the sack to enforce our state sanctioned death penalty.
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Wasn't that just the ticket in an election year. I wrote to the Gov. with regards to his decision. He responded that he still planned on letting the execution go thru but just in July. He wanted to make sure all his i's were dotted and t's crossed.
To grant a stay gave the anti death penalty hope and still kept supporters clinging on to their idea of justice. Me I thought it was gutless on his part. |
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Tinchihaport
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| Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| nathof wrote: | | Tinchihaport wrote: | | nathof wrote: |
Neither of the cases cited have anything to do with the death penalty unless I'm mistaken. 100 year sentence and manslaughter, neither would have faced the death penalty. Would you (Tinchihaport) rather have had them on death row? Sentences are commuted all of the time, rather than being in favor of the death penalty maybe you should be address sentence reduction as a root cause of the problem. |
one was a life sentence reduced to 100 years. The Kulhavy sentence I could not remember but seen it was listed in my little excerpt.
If the murderer's had been given the death penalty I wouldn't have to worry about my daughter getting to close to Kulhavy nor worry that Ms. Jenner will be on the streets again either.
I am a supporter of the death penalty. It is my right to support it and to voice that I do. Just as it is your right to voice your opinion against it.
I hope Ms. Wright receives capitol punishment as her sentence and I hope it is carried out. If it is called revenge or if it is called bloodthirst than so be it. I want to see justice for Darlene Vandergeisen. Her face looking at her killer thru a plastic bag was enough for me to want the death penalty for her murderer. |
Kulravey is not an argument for the death penalty as he wasn't sentenced to it. The woman was sentenced to 100 years, or sentenced to death? Having more executions would not have affected either, unless they had a death sentence commuted? I'm also not sure of the specifics. Minor points to argue.
I don't think the death penalty is necessary, I see you do, I apologize for the earlier bloodlust remark, and agree to respectfully disagree with you. Good luck in life (Literally, not sarcastically). |
Debra Jenner-Tyler was convicted of killing her 3Û year-old daughter in 1987 by stabbing her about 70 times with a knife and toy airplane. Janklow reduced her sentence from life in prison to 100 years - making her eligible for parole later this month - after she admitted to the crime.
The bloodlust remark was ok. I do know many people who are against the death penalty believe that It is not about bloodlust or revenge it is paying for your crime and if that is with your life so be it.
Many will say jail is not a deterent from crimes and the death penalty is not a deterent from murder. Well I know that the thought of jail has kept me from stealing that piece of candy when I was a kid or to make sure I paid my parking ticket. And in the heat of anger might have kept my husband safe  jk of course. Seriously not wanting to spent time in jail has kept me walking the straight and narrow. I am sure it has others too. |
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zipper
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| Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| I did not say life without parole IS capitol punishment. I said life without parole SHOULD be capitol punishment IMO. Cannot the law be changed thus changing the definition? |
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