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phenobarbara Forum Advisor
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Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Seriously not wanting to spent time in jail has kept me walking the straight and narrow. |
That's because you're a nice person and you figure you'll be caught. Murderous psychopaths might not be phased. They don't think of the penalty because they don't believe they will be caught. |
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Tinchihaport Forum Pro
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Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| phenobarbara wrote: | | That's because you're a nice person. Murderous psychopaths might not be phased. They don't think of the penalty because they don't believe they will be caught. |
Thank you ... I do want to like who lays her head down on my pillow every night so I do try to live my life being a good person.
Do you think you could go up to Darlene's mom, look her in the eye and tell her you do not think her daughter's life was worth Ms. Wright's?
That is not to assume that Darlene's mom is wanting or not wanting the death penalty. It is also not intented to start an argument. It is just a statement I could not make if I were to face Darlene's mom on the street or in the court room.
I believe we are going to have to agree to disagree I will always repect your right to your beliefs. |
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repub1 Forum Guru
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Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 12:36 pm Post subject: I have to disagree with your point |
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| Tinchihaport wrote: | | zipper wrote: | | A lesbian in prison? Thats punishment? |
We live in a state that has capitol punishment. We need to start using it imo. An execution may make people think twice before premeditating a murder. That put aside even if it doesn't the majority of people in this state believe and support the death penalty. It doesn not keep getting voted in by the minority.
I do understand we live in SD but we need to start executing our death row inmates. The sentence they received was the death penalty not living out their lives on death row. |
I have to disagree, respectfully, of course. I don't believe that the thought of being executed will go through anyone's mind when they are in the throws of planning on how to kill someone. People like that are not in their right mind. How else can you plan to carry out and murder another human being? Those of us here may think execution may be a deterrent, but that's because we are (for the most part) normal people.
I truly do not believe the threat of the death penalty will stop anyone who is planning to commit the most horrible of all crimes (IMHO)...murder. |
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simon Forum Master
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Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Capital punishment "fits" the crime as a law. The Bible (Jesus' time) offered "shelter" cities for those who committed manslaughter; they were to remain there for all time. If they left and were killed by the dead person's avenger, tough cookies. Stoning was a common method of execution.
Jesus said, "Let he who is without sin among you cast the first stone," to a group of men who caught a woman in the act of adultry. Jesus likely knew why the man commiting adultry with that woman wasn't caught too and knew they were only try to trick Him. Jesus said He did not come to abolish the Law (do away with stoning, etc.) but to fufill the Law of Moses. Followers of Jesus were stoned, sawed in half, crucified, etc. (still are). Wonder if they voted for capital punishment? |
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jej1202 Forum Newbie
Joined: 09 Mar 2007 Posts: 3
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Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: capital punishment is murder |
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| We call ourselves a great nation, an advanced civilization, a Christian nation, and yet people still call for capital punishment. This woman did a terrible thing in taking a human life, but when we do it to criminals as punishment, we become no better than these killers. If you believe in the bible, it says Thou Shalt Not Kill. It doesn't say Thou Shalt Not Kill Except When People Are Convicted of a Crime That You Think They Should be Killed For. Lock her up for the rest of her life. That is punishment enough for anyone. Killing her won't bring Darlene back. Besides, the Pierre man who killed his wife did not get the death sentence. Yet he committed pre-meditated murder, enlisted his brother's aid to cover up the crime, and tried to blame the killing on the daughter. If he doesn't get capital punishment, neither should Daphne. Just another example of inequitable, racist treatment in South Dakota. |
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BeefMaster Forum "Exec"
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Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| simon wrote: | | Jesus said, "Let he who is without sin among you cast the first stone," to a group of men who caught a woman in the act of adultry. Jesus likely knew why the man commiting adultry with that woman wasn't caught too and knew they were only try to trick Him. Jesus said He did not come to abolish the Law (do away with stoning, etc.) but to fufill the Law of Moses. |
I haven't heard that interpretation of the "cast the first stone" story before... are you claiming that Jesus interrupted the execution not because he believed it was unjust, but because someone was trying to trick him somehow? How exactly were they trying to trick him?
Also, if you really believe the last sentence in the quote above (about fulfilling the Law of Moses), you should also maintain a kosher diet and avoid trimming your beard and wearing blended fabrics, unless for some reason you're just picking and choosing which laws to keep. |
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Tinchihaport Forum Pro
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Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: capital punishment is murder |
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| jej1202 wrote: | | We call ourselves a great nation, an advanced civilization, a Christian nation, and yet people still call for capital punishment. This woman did a terrible thing in taking a human life, but when we do it to criminals as punishment, we become no better than these killers. If you believe in the bible, it says Thou Shalt Not Kill. It doesn't say Thou Shalt Not Kill Except When People Are Convicted of a Crime That You Think They Should be Killed For. Lock her up for the rest of her life. That is punishment enough for anyone. Killing her won't bring Darlene back. Besides, the Pierre man who killed his wife did not get the death sentence. Yet he committed pre-meditated murder, enlisted his brother's aid to cover up the crime, and tried to blame the killing on the daughter. If he doesn't get capital punishment, neither should Daphne. Just another example of inequitable, racist treatment in South Dakota. |
Nothing to do with race, sex or disabilities. Ms. Wright was tried and convicted by an impartial jury just as she was entitled too. IMO Mr Reay should have faced and received the same punishment. |
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BeefMaster Forum "Exec"
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Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| zipper wrote: | | I did not say life without parole IS capitol punishment. I said life without parole SHOULD be capitol punishment IMO. Cannot the law be changed thus changing the definition? |
Execution is the dictionary definition of "capital punishment". You could change the maximum sentence for crimes to life without parole (many states do this now), but you can't really change the meaning of the term "capital punishment". |
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interested reader Forum Novice
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Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I think if you go back to the old testament again and look at the laws of Moses, in addition to "Thou shalt not kill" you will also find that there were laws for punishments for different crimes, and that indeed death by stoning was one. I agree with BeefMaster, you are cherry picking your laws. |
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simon Forum Master
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Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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To BeefMaster,
John 8: 6 states they were testing (trying to trick) Him in order to have grounds to accuse Him; it's not not my interpretation. They were going to execute (stone) her. Jesus did not say "don't execute her" which would have been against the Mosaic Law and what they wanted.
As far as keeping the Mosiac Law, which you imply that I should do, the New Testament is replete with similar people, called "Judiazers" by Paul. Those that accused this same woman are of your mind-set, they thought the Law was should be kept no matter what. By those that caught or witnessed this woman's adultry didn't fulfill the Law's requirement that she be stoned.
Many aspects of the Law are good, but being good doesn't get you or I into heaven; only trusting in the finished work of Jesus does that. Since I can't grow a bread, it would be hard to trim it. No person, except Jesus, could or can fulfill the Law. Think of Adam or Eve, they only had one law or commandment stating not to do something, but they couldn't keep from doing that. Cherry pick or not cherry pick, we stand accused before the Law because we could not keep it entirely and need a Savior or Advocate.
To interested reader,
Although the Gospels are not in the Old Testament of the Bible, their time, before Jesus died on the Cross (thus fulfilling the Mosiac Law), was all the same as in the Old Testament times, as Law. etc. "Thou shalt not kill", in the Hebrew/Aramaic means not to murder. A soldier doing his duty would not be breaking this commandment. Those stoning someone, who broke the Law, would not either. |
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security1 Forum "Exec"
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Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| My feelings on this subject is that she should be put in solitary confinment for life and not have the right to be with the rest of the prison population. For she has taken a life a doesn't deserve to be allowed any other contact with others. |
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phenobarbara Forum Advisor
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Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Will she be in solitary if she's on death row? |
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sweetluv721 Forum Novice
Joined: 13 Jan 2007 Posts: 10 Location: Brookings, SD
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Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: It's up in the air! |
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| Regardless of religious views or views on the death penalty, The decision of death or life in prison depends on whether the prosecution can prove aggravating circumstances. With the dismemberment of the body the prosecution could produce a really good case for death. However, the defense also could have a good case for life in prison, as the dismemberment happened after the death. It is all up to the jury to decide whether there was aggravating circumstances. I can see it going either way--it all depends on how the circumstances are interpreted. According to law this is the aggravating circumstance that must be proven for the jury to give death, "The offense was outrageously or wantonly vile, horrible, or inhuman in that it involved torture, depravity of mind, or an aggravated battery to the victim. " Again, I agree that the offense was all of these, however, I can also see the defenses side that Darlene was dead already before the inhuman and horrible dismemberment occurred. Ummmm, I think it will be difficult for ALL 12 jurors to say Death. |
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Torch Forum Pro
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Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: Life in prison is punishment enough |
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Regardless of what the sentence that is imposed. The end result will be life in prison without parole.
The state and or the federal court system will not up hold a death penalty conviction on a deaf woman who can barely read.
(not in south dakota anyway.)
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sweetluv721 Forum Novice
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Posted: Apr Sat 14, 2007 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think it has anything to do with her being a women or deaf or not able to read. People in South Dakota know what is horrific regardless of these characteristics. The reason she isn't going to get the death penalty has nothing to do with her characteristics but rather with the law! |
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