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 Posted: Apr Tue 10, 2007 6:40 am Post subject: News: Gas prices climb 27 cents in past month |
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| Why is it I never hear anyone complain about the gas prices anymore? Have we became so used to getting hosed, by local retailers and the petroleum industry in general, that we just continue to bend over and grab our ankles? I don't recall the last time I heard anyone, except local retailers complain about gasoline pricing, some saying that there were too many people getting into the gasoline business. Have you ever wondered why HY VEE wanted to get their gas station done before the grocery store? It is too bad that the public has no where else to go for gasoline except to those that hold a monopoly and raise their prices in lockstep with other retailers in order to eliminate competition. I think it is about time for someone to speak out on this matter and hopefully someone that can, will do something about this ripoff. I saw on tv yesterday that some petroleum retailers heat their products to take advantage of the expansion factor. As if they weren't making enough al;ready. |
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| Posted: Apr Tue 10, 2007 7:01 am Post subject: Re: News: Gas prices climb 27 cents in past month |
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| Bob wrote: | | Why is it I never hear anyone complain about the gas prices anymore? Have we became so used to getting hosed, by local retailers and the petroleum industry in general, that we just continue to bend over and grab our ankles? I don't recall the last time I heard anyone, except local retailers complain about gasoline pricing, some saying that there were too many people getting into the gasoline business. Have you ever wondered why HY VEE wanted to get their gas station done before the grocery store? It is too bad that the public has no where else to go for gasoline except to those that hold a monopoly and raise their prices in lockstep with other retailers in order to eliminate competition. I think it is about time for someone to speak out on this matter and hopefully someone that can, will do something about this ripoff. I saw on tv yesterday that some petroleum retailers heat their products to take advantage of the expansion factor. As if they weren't making enough al;ready. |
You obviously know very little about markets. Oil companies and retailers dont set the price of gasoline other than a few cents profit margin. The price of oil and gas is determined by worldwide market forces. Every day gasoline is traded on the futures markets. That is what sets the ultimate price. The oil companies have very little control over the price. It is no different than any other commodity such as corn , wheat or soybeans.
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| Posted: Apr Tue 10, 2007 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| Im done complaining about gas prices. There isnt anything I can do about it, so why waste time and energy complaining. Since most stations here are all the same I just pull up stick my card in and leave. |
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BigWeezMachine
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Hey, it's the only thing that is going to help reduce our consumption of gas. For all of you SUV driven dorks out there, me being one of them, I bet when gas climbs to around $4 a gallon in a few years, all of a sudden the need for all of that space will fall much lower on the totem pole than it used to. Enjoying throwing $200-300 a month out the window for that beast?
It's been proven that the auto industry and government are not to blame, but rather the consumers, YOU and ME. We are the ones that slurped up all of these auto's getting 10-20 mpg the last 15 or 20 years, while places like Europe average 38 mpg and Japan average 31 mpg. The big difference, gas taxes. The U.S. has about $.40 per gallon while Japan and Europe are somewhere between $3-4.
So, it is easy to lean on someone else, but the fact is we are going to potentially hit a peak oil production in the next 10 years where "easy" oil production will decrease. That means that the only way to get more oil will be from small reserve sites, difficult to get to sites, etc. Just gonna get more expensive. |
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Price of gas in SF: $2.73. Price of gas at truckstop between SF and Mitchell: $2.59. Is that really controlled by market forces? No, it is controlled by opportunism.
We need a project on par with our trips to the moon to wean ourselves off of oil so every time some wacko dictator takes a few hostages, our wallets don't take a hit.
We don't need oil, we need energy. |
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| BigWeezMachine wrote: | Hey, it's the only thing that is going to help reduce our consumption of gas. For all of you SUV driven dorks out there, me being one of them, I bet when gas climbs to around $4 a gallon in a few years, all of a sudden the need for all of that space will fall much lower on the totem pole than it used to. Enjoying throwing $200-300 a month out the window for that beast?
It's been proven that the auto industry and government are not to blame, but rather the consumers, YOU and ME. We are the ones that slurped up all of these auto's getting 10-20 mpg the last 15 or 20 years, while places like Europe average 38 mpg and Japan average 31 mpg. The big difference, gas taxes. The U.S. has about $.40 per gallon while Japan and Europe are somewhere between $3-4.
So, it is easy to lean on someone else, but the fact is we are going to potentially hit a peak oil production in the next 10 years where "easy" oil production will decrease. That means that the only way to get more oil will be from small reserve sites, difficult to get to sites, etc. Just gonna get more expensive. |
It isn't just the SUV's and big pickups that use up the gas (I don't drive either one) but part of it may be the high speed people insist on driving. Many people commute to Sioux Falls, etc., thus are driving further requiring more gas usage. We need to be thinking about carpooling. Try to do our errands on one day instead of getting home then running back to Sioux Falls on a Saturday to shop. Buying a smaller more fuel-efficient car would be nice. And what would really be nice is if these oil companies didn't have to have such humongous profits!!! |
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| daylight wrote: | | BigWeezMachine wrote: | Hey, it's the only thing that is going to help reduce our consumption of gas. For all of you SUV driven dorks out there, me being one of them, I bet when gas climbs to around $4 a gallon in a few years, all of a sudden the need for all of that space will fall much lower on the totem pole than it used to. Enjoying throwing $200-300 a month out the window for that beast?
It's been proven that the auto industry and government are not to blame, but rather the consumers, YOU and ME. We are the ones that slurped up all of these auto's getting 10-20 mpg the last 15 or 20 years, while places like Europe average 38 mpg and Japan average 31 mpg. The big difference, gas taxes. The U.S. has about $.40 per gallon while Japan and Europe are somewhere between $3-4.
So, it is easy to lean on someone else, but the fact is we are going to potentially hit a peak oil production in the next 10 years where "easy" oil production will decrease. That means that the only way to get more oil will be from small reserve sites, difficult to get to sites, etc. Just gonna get more expensive. |
It isn't just the SUV's and big pickups that use up the gas (I don't drive either one) but part of it may be the high speed people insist on driving. Many people commute to Sioux Falls, etc., thus are driving further requiring more gas usage. We need to be thinking about carpooling. Try to do our errands on one day instead of getting home then running back to Sioux Falls on a Saturday to shop. Buying a smaller more fuel-efficient car would be nice. And what would really be nice is if these oil companies didn't have to have such humongous profits!!! |
The oil company profits that people complain about are only in the 9 to 11% range as I have posted in a previous thread. This is not a humongous profit. Many companies would struggle with this margin. It is just that the huge volume of business that they do that makes it seem excessive. |
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BigWeezMachine
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| daylight wrote: | | BigWeezMachine wrote: | Hey, it's the only thing that is going to help reduce our consumption of gas. For all of you SUV driven dorks out there, me being one of them, I bet when gas climbs to around $4 a gallon in a few years, all of a sudden the need for all of that space will fall much lower on the totem pole than it used to. Enjoying throwing $200-300 a month out the window for that beast?
It's been proven that the auto industry and government are not to blame, but rather the consumers, YOU and ME. We are the ones that slurped up all of these auto's getting 10-20 mpg the last 15 or 20 years, while places like Europe average 38 mpg and Japan average 31 mpg. The big difference, gas taxes. The U.S. has about $.40 per gallon while Japan and Europe are somewhere between $3-4.
So, it is easy to lean on someone else, but the fact is we are going to potentially hit a peak oil production in the next 10 years where "easy" oil production will decrease. That means that the only way to get more oil will be from small reserve sites, difficult to get to sites, etc. Just gonna get more expensive. |
It isn't just the SUV's and big pickups that use up the gas (I don't drive either one) but part of it may be the high speed people insist on driving. Many people commute to Sioux Falls, etc., thus are driving further requiring more gas usage. We need to be thinking about carpooling. Try to do our errands on one day instead of getting home then running back to Sioux Falls on a Saturday to shop. Buying a smaller more fuel-efficient car would be nice. And what would really be nice is if these oil companies didn't have to have such humongous profits!!! |
Ya...I've just read a couple of books on oil/energy and the only real solution coming up over the next 10-20 years will be either conservation or a miracle invention. And one thing Americans are awful at is conserving. That is one of Bin Laden's/"terrorists" main beef's with us, our over indulgence of the natural resources. The other two main beef's are giving Israel to the Jews and placing hundreds of military bases in the Middle east. None of this having to do with religion like so many, including our gov't, want you to believe. |
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| Posted: Apr Tue 10, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: Re: News: Gas prices climb 27 cents in past month |
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| Bob wrote: | | Why is it I never hear anyone complain about the gas prices anymore? Have we became so used to getting hosed, by local retailers and the petroleum industry in general, that we just continue to bend over and grab our ankles? |
Bob,
Grabbing your ankles is a reflex we need to supress. The reason we hear little or nothing about gas prices is because the election is over. The Dems don't need to start demonizing Reps and Big Oil till next year. Don't worry the Donks will get to it, just like they'll all end up back in the Black churches acting like they're just as black as the congregation.
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| BigWeezMachine wrote: | | Ya...I've just read a couple of books on oil/energy and the only real solution coming up over the next 10-20 years will be either conservation or a miracle invention. And one thing Americans are awful at is conserving. |
We HAVE the capacity, we HAVE the 'miracle inventions'; but the big-business-controlled government prevents them from seeing the light of day. |
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| BigWeezMachine wrote: | | [quote="daylightYa...I've just read a couple of books on oil/energy and the only real solution coming up over the next 10-20 years will be either conservation or a miracle invention. And one thing Americans are awful at is conserving. That is one of Bin Laden's/"terrorists" main beef's with us, our over indulgence of the natural resources. The other two main beef's are giving Israel to the Jews and placing hundreds of military bases in the Middle east. None of this having to do with religion like so many, including our gov't, want you to believe. |
This isnt true. The energy crisis could be solved with the stroke of a pen. We have the knowledge and technology to make energy cheap and clean and it could be set in motion by a simple law allowing it to be built. It is nuclear power.
The devil is in the details though and until we can overcome the fear based on ignorance of nuclear power no one in government has the courage to try to mandate it. |
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| CKdoubleU wrote: | | ...we HAVE the 'miracle inventions'; but the big-business-controlled government prevents them from seeing the light of day. |
I have some ocean view property down by Canton you might be interested in too. |
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BigWeezMachine
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| CKdoubleU wrote: | | BigWeezMachine wrote: | | Ya...I've just read a couple of books on oil/energy and the only real solution coming up over the next 10-20 years will be either conservation or a miracle invention. And one thing Americans are awful at is conserving. |
We HAVE the capacity, we HAVE the 'miracle inventions'; but the big-business-controlled government prevents them from seeing the light of day. |
And what capacity/inventions are these? Remember, we are talking about cars, not home energy. |
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| BigWeezMachine wrote: | | CKdoubleU wrote: | | BigWeezMachine wrote: | | Ya...I've just read a couple of books on oil/energy and the only real solution coming up over the next 10-20 years will be either conservation or a miracle invention. And one thing Americans are awful at is conserving. |
We HAVE the capacity, we HAVE the 'miracle inventions'; but the big-business-controlled government prevents them from seeing the light of day. |
And what capacity/inventions are these? Remember, we are talking about cars, not home energy. |
Nuclear power would suffice. |
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